dec. 3 [part V : Luke 17 ; see below previous log]   
december 2 – Ravine IV
                                               – Jerobeam tried to hijack our ‘8/15’ : and since , “Hanukkah” does

… trying to falsify previous log ,
there’s virtually nothing in the scroll supporting this concept :
only Zecheriah mentions ‘Joshua’ (chapter 3) and ‘8th month’
(ch.1) where both may have belonged together ; also Haggai
mentions Joshua together with a date which well might have
been ‘8/15’ but possibly was changed to the ‘Hanukkah’ date ;
in this impossible standoff
we asked us : “if Jerobeam once tried to claim the ‘8/15’ ,
who says Esau would not have made another attempt ,
since he knew the scroll and therefore the importance … ?
A) “Hanukkah” :
    officially : ‘Time’ and ‘8’ 
(‘8th month’ ? see Ritual log)

… any smart copy ofcourse would be “a plausible deniability” and the ‘rededication’ of a temple
would fit the bill – but it is all too coincidental that ‘Hanukkah’ is “an eight day (-feast)” happening
some time after Booths (where 2 Maccabees 10:6 explains the feast’s length as “in the manner
of the feast of Booths”) , it’s meaning “dedication” showing to belong to the 144 (see Numeri 7)
and the “illumination (-by lights)” certainly is a main aspect of the Transfiguration …
considering the above ,
it probably didn’t even mátter that her date was (is) 9/25 and not 8/15 , yet interestingly the
Esau-tool who corrupted Haggai 2 may have read the original 8/15 date with this in mind !
B) the John 10 ‘Hanukkah’ :
… some strange things going on here as well : the first half of John 10 is about the shepherd
and the sheep (please remember this) , and at 22 starts the ‘dedication’ (‘Hanukkah’) section  –
be aware that everything has been written down by Esau here because that’s important :
      first : IF ‘the dedication’ was an illegal event , Christ would not have appeared   —
      but this does not mean that He would have agreed with the – likely – copied méaning of it :
      in other words : He may have viewed it as the original ‘8/15’ event ;
… to know whether this is true we’d need the original discourse , but sadly once again Esau
corrupted the text : line 24 is ofcourse not true because they knew exactly who He was ;
the event that day was ‘the dedication’ (but read : the real 8/15 event) and in line 24 the Jews
(read : Pharisees) came to Him — why ? ; because they knew the meaning of that day ! ,
therefore the theme can have been but 1 thing : when will You take the 144 … ?
keep in mind the direct relationship between ‘the dedication’ and ‘the taking away’ ,
because remember ,
time and time again the Pharisees wanted to know WHEN He would return – to blóck that ;
       in line 24 shows G142 “to take away , to remove” [sic !]   here in combination with “souls” 
       (-psuché) but that can have been “remnant” (-loipos !) or even “sons” (-yhios) , reading :
       (24b – KJV) : “How long dost thou make us to doubt?”
       (24b) : until – when – (will) you take away – us=your – souls (or: remnant) ?” 
you see please it is the key line we need ?
… sadly it’s very difficult to establish how the text has run on — KJV’s 25 “Jesus answered them, 
I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.” 
must have been something like “I (will) told=take (eipo=airó !) – you=them ,”     + 
       [since an answer usually includes a mentioned term]   and=when – [..1x..]   – [+they]   (will) – [..]  
       works=have – the belief – which – I=is – [+in]   (the-) do=scroll – in=as – the – name=words
       (onoma=logos) of – [..]   my – Father , [+and]   [..]   (will) bear witness – concerning – me=them”
– this is a contextual proper answer ,
where ‘the belief’ is understood as “the right belief” like in His line “I will return when I will have
found the belief” ; syntax here as “the belief – they will be having (ergon=echô)” ;
next lines are increasingly Undoable : ofcourse the theme never can be “sheep” again and see 
how line 28 uses “snatching-up” (-harpazó) , a term immediately linked to our event
conclusion :
… though there is a strong case for this 8th-month date , having eliminated ‘Hanukkah’ legally ,
we cannot know whether the original date “had a name” or if it is “a silent date” :
we think the latter since she must have derived from the 8th day of Booths as her fulfillment ;
in truth , the proof will be in the pudding now : we can only wait next Thursday-Friday , right ….
     … Majesty it is horrible this darkness again … so exhausting
[ETA +3 hrs:]  
… the “who of you” in Haggai 2 may be ‘a request to us to search back this Date’ :
perhaps as “who of you will see the former glorious house=day (‘date’)” ? 
[also because “a date” is so many times repeated in the chapters ?]   ,
strengthened by the repeated exhortation “set your heart to it !” : to understand ..?
it would certainly explain line 19c “from (at) this day I will bless you”
[december 3]  
– nervous today , that tummy thing
… was it really asked from us to go find this date – because of some legal reason ? 
(and what if it will be a [-nother]   letdown : will we have chased but a fata morgana ..?) ;
please — also the below Luke 17 is about ‘that Date’ :
it does not say that ‘watching’ on itself is “wrong” but more that “He wants to be invited” 
[is “the key” which He holds “this date” — as immediately related to the 6th seal …?]   ;
do remember part IV and let you be the judge of the interpretation :  
(KJV) ” And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should 
come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:”
“(now,) [=when]   – he (was) questioned – by – the – Pharisees 
when – the – kingdom=Son of – [..]   God=man – (will) return (‘come’)
he – answered – them – and – said :
[+the day of]   (line 22) the – kingdom=Son of – [..]   God=man
(will) not – come (‘happen’) – [=through]   – (mere-) ‘watching’ :       +

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
neither=through – them saying : “behold ! – (it will happen because of-) this case !” ,
or : “behold ! – (it will happen because of-) this case ! :
for=therefore – the – kingdom=day of – the God=Son – is – inside=upon – you=us” ; 

“And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of 
the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see [it]  .”  
        [now the subject must turn to “hów can it be known” :]  
“[=but]   – coming=that – day       +
(is) said=written – unto=in – the – disciples=scroll
when=and – (the-) one=sons (‘144’) (heis=ihyos) – (will) desire
to see=know – the day of – the – Son of – [..]   man : 
and – [=they]   (will) see (‘find’?) – not=her ;       +

(23) “And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them]  , nor follow [them]  .” 
         [next : tricky : it may be an inserted repeat (see 21) ;
         however , it may be about “a sudden – or unexpected find or theme” 
         because”the lightning” in next line 24 appears to be ‘an immediate answer tó that” (?) :]  
“and (when-) – they (will) declare – to [=me]   : behold ! – [..2x..]  
[+we]   perceived – there=the – no=day (mE=hêmera) of – departure ,
[+as?]   (the-) nor=day (?) (mEde=hêmara) – [=we]   pursued :      + 

“For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one [part]   under heaven, shineth unto the 
other [part]   under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.”  
for=then (!) ,
even as – the lightning , flashing – from – the (one end-) – of – the – [=sky]  
to – the (other end-) – of – the – [=sky]   , so – (will) also – happen – [..]   the day of
the – Son of – [..]   man [..]  

B)  — next theme —
[… the story can hardly return now to ‘Christ himself during that timeframe’ ;
more probable is “the great falling-away theme” , which makes a much better bridge
to the ‘Noah’ theme in next 26 — but how was this one phrased … ? :]  
“But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.”  
“[=however]   , 
first – must – him=happen – (a-) many=great – suffer=test (paschó see penthos) ,
and=as – (the-) rejected=falling-away (‘apostasy’) (apodakimazó=apostasia !) of – 
[..]   this – generation ;   

          [next 26 : ‘Noah’ :
– obviously refers to ‘a return tó Eden’ ,
– the “closing of the door” reminds of the ‘door’ at the Philadelphia church ,
– that Noah & company were “one week inside the ark” reminds of the seven
    day of Booths – followed by ‘the 8th day’ (see previous logs) ,
– if the rain started “the 17th of the 2nd month” it is possible that Esau used his
    own start of the year as ‘the 7th month’ – which would make this the 8th month 
    (where the 17th then should be ’15th’) , 
– because Christ knew that all he said would be corrupted it is possible that he
    presented a play on roots here , as well , in order to give ús a clue :
    Noah :            Nôach   > no’-akh
   ‘to rest’ :         nûwach > noo’-akh 
    hanukkah : chânak > khaw-nak , read : (kh)-n-ak
– a sidenote is that they did not “drink and eat and marry in Noah’s days” since the
    Giants in eden mocked him for building the ship and it’s just weird to stitch the
    eating and marrying to the Giants – so those terms must belong to “the apostasy” ;
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.”
“[=because]   – like – it was – [=before]   – the – day of – [..]   Noah ,
so – will it (be) – also – [=before]   – the – day of – the – Son of – [..]   man ;