[KJV 8:1,14:14-16 ,14:1-5,7:9-12] Christ returns , taking the 144 , they and the first christians restored in their Original |
Revelation 7 (-as composite)
fulltext :
[Rev.8 :]
1
and after he opens the seventh seal , [same time as the 6th seal]
I see that the Lord is going forth to the earth with his angels ;
[Rev.14 :]
14
and I look and behold ! ,
they appear in the sky , as the Son of man with his many angels standing upon the clouds ,
while he holds the sceptre of Eden in his hand ;
15
and the Lord says with a loud voice to his angels :
go forth across the world and gather my remnant (‘144’) out of the people ,
because the hour of the firstfruits (‘144’) has come for them
as the harvest that is ripe ; [‘harvest’ is NOT negative]
16
and I bring the gathered ones from the earth +
to the mountain of tsiun which is in heaven ; [eden-dimension]
[Rev.14]
1
then I look and behold ! ,
the Lambkin stands upon mount tsiun
together with the hundred forty four thousand [-males & females]
that have his Father’s name written upon their forehead ; [chapter 6]
2
then I hear the voice from the throne , saying :
behold ! my people (‘Originals’) whose voices you have heared [in chapter 5]
that I have saved from the north land of the nations (-of spirits) , [BROnteS=BORraS]
as the vessels in whom their (‘144’) soul dwelt ;
3
and I will restore them (‘souls’) +
in my sacred people (‘Originals’) + [in prophets never ‘new + body’]
in front of the throne , [so said in prophets]
before the Lambkin and the angels ; [see Zecheriah]
and the hundred forty four thousand will be the guardians of Eden [oden=eden !]
as the ones that will re-build their own land ; [part I b :]
4 [next ‘the first christians’ of ch.1 !]
and these ,
who are their (‘144’) bondservants (‘first christians’) from the beginning , [the first church]
as the ones that were of Ephesus (?) + [parthenos=ephesos]
who have prayed that the remnant (‘144’) would understand my words : [or: scroll]
these I will restore in my people (‘Originals’) ,
like the firstfruits (‘144’) ,
before the throne and the Lambkin ; +
5 [see Ephesus text :]
as the ones that overcame by having rejected the lies ,
because they believed in the promise of their restoration (‘in their Originals’) by God ;
[Rev.7 :]
9
then look and behold ! , [still John & his people :]
a great multitude redeemed out of all nations and people and tongues
stands before the throne and the Lambkin ,
dressed in white garments [as ‘saved righteous souls’]
and having palms in their hand ; + [a ‘triumphal entry’ reference ? see intro]
10
shouting with a loud voice , saying :
salvation is by our God seated on the throne , and by the Lambkin ; [closing :]
11
then , after He has restored all of them + [see intro]
in their sacred one (‘Original’) in front of the throne , [aggelos=hagios]
as the sons and daughters of God ,
they fall down on their face before the throne as worshipping God ;
12
saying : to you is the blessing and the glory , the wisdom , thanksgiving and honor ,
through the power and might of our God for ever and ever .
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[total : 13 lines]
Revelation 7 (-as composite)
[Rev.8 :]
1
and – when=after – he opens – the – seventh – seal ,
b
(the-) silence=Lord – (is) was=going forth – [..] (to-) the – heaven=earth
c
as=with – [+his] half an hour=angels ; +
note :
.. next lines probably were about “Adam going to the north” ;
[Rev.14 :]
14
and – I look – and – behold ! ,
b
[+they] white=appear (?) – (in-) (the-) cloud=sky + [‘sky’ needed cause of ‘cloud’ next]
c
like=as – the – Son of – man – on=with – [.. 1x ..] – his – golden=many – crown=angels
d
sitting=standing – upon – the – clouds , [what is ‘a crown’ doing here ?]
e
and=while – [+he] holds (‘from previous’) – (the-) sickle=sceptre of – sharp=Eden (oxu=eden)
f
in – his – hand ;
15
[subjects were swapped :]
and – other=the – angel=Lord – came=says – [=with] – (a-) loud – voice +
b
[..] (to-) crying=his – temple=angels :
c
[..] sitting=go forth – on=across – the – cloud=world
d
(and-) send=gather – your=my – sickle=remnant (‘144’) – and=out of – (the-) reap=people ,
e
for – the – hour of – the – reap=firstborns (‘144’) – (has) come – (for-) you=them
f
that=as – the – harvest – [.. 1x ..] – (that is) ripe ; + [‘harvest’ is NOT negative]
16
and – [+I] casts=bring – the sitting=gathered ones – on=from – the – cloud=earth
b
(to-) the – sickle=mointain of – [..] [..] land=tsiun
c
and=which – reaped=is – [..] (in-) land=heaven ;
note :
… next lines are another (-corrupted) theme ;
[still Rev.14]
1
[=then] I look – and – behold ! ,
b
(the-) Lambkin – stands – upon – [..] mount – tsiun
c
[=together] – [=with] – (the-) hundred – forty – four – thousand [-males & females]
d
(that) have – [..] his – Father’s – name – written – upon – their – forehead ; [the being sealed]
[problem : now we have TWO upcoming groups [+restoration in the Originals] :]
… now that the 144 have arrived ,
a) the first theme in prophets is always “the restoration in the Original”
b) but we also have “the first christians” [=Ephesus]
which is in John’s context very important —
but the problem is “which sections describe what group ?” ;
c)
could the latter be described as “the bond-servants from Ephesus that have prayed for the 144” ?
d)
another problem is “the saved Jacob group” [-for later] ,
because Rev.7:8 is often said about all the saved and restored souls of Jacob ;
e)
it is also possible that Rev.7 : 9-17 originally described two groups :
first 9-12 , perhaps the first christians [A] ,
then Esau made an illegal connection in 13 (so there was no ‘who are they’) ,
because the second group is saved Jacob [B] ;
2 [attempt :]
[=then] – I hear – (the-) voice – out=from – the – heaven=throne (ouranos=thronos) , [+saying] :
b
as=behold ! – [+I] (have) sound=saved – many=my – waters=people (‘Originals’)
c
and=whose – voices – I=you (have) heared [in previous chapter]
d
and=from – the – thunder=north (BROnteS=BORraS) – sound=land of – (the-) great=nations ,
e
[+as] the harpers=vessels – (in whom-) [..] their – harps=soul – harping=dwelt ;
3
and – they=I (will) sing=restore [+them] (‘souls’)
b
as=in – [+my] new=sacred – song=people [in prophets never ‘new + body’]
c
in front of – the – throne , [a-c : so said in prophets !]
d
[..] before – the – [.. 1x ..] – animals=Lambkin – and – the – elders=angels ; [see Zecheriah]
e
and – [..] [..] – the – hundred – forty – four – thousand
f
[.. 1x ..] – (will) able=be – (the-) learn=guardians of – [..] song=Eden (oden=eden !)
g
(as-) the – ones (that will) brought=re-build (agorazó=anoikodomeô) – [..] [..]
[+their] (-own) land ;
4
[+lineup :]
(and-) these , who – are – [..] [+their] (‘144’) women=bondservants (‘first christians’) +
b
not=from – (the-) polluted=beginning ,
c
[..] [+as] (the-) (ones that) are of – virgins=Ephesus (?) (parthenos=ephesos) [first church]
d
these=who – are=have – [..] follow=prayed – (that-) the – lambkin=remnant (‘144’)
e
(would) going=understand – ever=my – where=words (or: scroll) (hOpou=lOgos / bibliOn) :
f
these – [+I] (will) bought=restore – from=in – [..] [+my] people – [+like] (the-) firstfruits
g
[+before] the – god=throne (theos=thronos) – and – the – Lambkin ; +
[next : final description of those of Ephesus ? :]
5
and=as – [..] the – (ones that) mouth=overcame +
b
[..] – not=by – (having) found=rejected – (the-) lies , [see Ephesus church text]
c
because – they are=believed – (in the-) flawless=promise of +
d
[..] [..] [+their] throne=restoration (?) (‘in their Originals’) – [..] (by-) God ;
[Rev.7 :]
9
after=then [..] – I look – and – behold ! , [the first christians :]
b
(a-) great – multitude – [.. 4x ..] – out of – all – nations – [.. 1x ..] – and – people – and – tongues
c
stands – before – the – throne – and – the – Lambkin [sic : still same phrasing !]
d
dressed – in – white – garments [as ‘saved righteous souls’]
e
and – (having) palms – in – [..] their – hand ; [a ‘triumphal entry’ reference ?]
note :
… we said in ‘the triumphal entry page’ that they cóuld have waved with palms
but that the main aspect was “bringing their sons to Him so he would bless them” ;
the ‘palms’ are no feature of the Originals ;
10
and – they shout – (with-) (a-) loud – voice , saying :
b
[..] salvation – [..] (is by-) our – God – seated – on – the – throne , and – (by-) the – Lambkin ;
11
[=then] , (after-) [+he] (has) stood=restored – all of [+them] +
b
(in-) [+their] angel=sacred one (?) (aggelos=hagios) , in front of – the – throne ,
c
and=as – the – elders=sons – and – [..] four=daughters of – [..] animals=God ,
d
[..] they fall down – on – their – face – before – the – throne – [=as] – worshipping – God ;
12
saying : (to-) amen=you – (is) the – blessing – and – the – glory ,
b
the – wisdom , [..] thanksgiving – and – honor ,
c
[=through] – the – power – and – might of – [..] our – God – [=for] – ever – [=and] – ever .
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