Gen.5 : the list of patriarchs
[no Adam !]  before the Flood
+ contextual section 
— restoring Genesis : part V —

[version ; 2025-04apr.01] 

 

immediately continued from part IV
 
pre-Flood situation : a crystalline (!) ‘paradise’
in which the flesh of our type souls was strong ,
hence ‘evil Giants’ were brought forth by them
Gen.5

 

 

                                                                                   theme
 
     … after God described the wicked situation that had become on this earth
     saying ‘and no man found grace in My eyes except Noah’ , now the list of 
     Noah’s ancestors must follow — because our God always saves a remnant 
     so that this list of patriarchs from whom Noah emerged is a Legal matter —
     
     however ,
     the contents & context of this list can not be verified ,
     causing us several problems that we try to address in the section below :  
 

                                               new : the ‘speculative corner’ : time frames
 
– Seth :                        at 105 begets Enosh              [dies +807]                                                  [corrupt ; ch.4] 
– Enosh :                    at 90 begets Cainan                [dies 905 total] 
– Cainan :                  at 70 begets Mahahaleel     [dies +840]   [added : 910 total] 
– Mahahaleel :       at 65 begets Jared                   [dies +830]   [added : 895 total] 
– Jared :                     at 162 begets Enoch               [dies +800]   [added : 962 total]                  [corrupt] 
– Enoch :                    at 65 begets Methuselah     [all his days 365] 
– Methuselah :       at 187 begets Lamech            [dies +782]   [added : 969 total]                 
– Lamech :                at 182 begets Noah                  [dies +595]   [added : 777 total]    [corrupt ; ch.4] 
  [Noah :                      at 500 his three sons] 
                                        total : 1426 years
                                        + 95 y difference that Lamech still lived / building the Ark,
                                        where ‘Shem at 100 begets Arphaxad 2 years after the flood’ (Gen.11:10)
                                         as 1426 + 95 = 1521 years until the Deluge :
  
                                                                                                                                                           deluge 
        Göbleki Tepe                                                     us on earth (?)                             petroglyphs
        –  –  –  I  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  I  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  I  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –  –
            10,900 BC                  [1900 y]                      9000 BC          [1500 y]        7,500 BC
 

    the Göbleki date is rather sure , as is the time frame
    of the petroglyphs showing massive changes in the 
    sky (read : space) that slowly settled down into its 
    current form after the Deluge to be the atmosphere
    that we know today [-including this ‘new’ moon !]  ; 
    and if we combine this with the shown list here we
    must have appeared upon earth around 9000 BC —
    however , our first major problem :
genesis-petroglyphs

    is not “to calculate an alleged biblical model of 6000 years followed soon by the
    1000 year Interval to get to the number 7000” but the question of continuancy :
    IF God made the trouble to mention the patriarchs and their ages then what we
    do with the rather long era ‘from the Flood until Abraham’ ? because 5000+ years
    combined with a much decreased life-span of man would require several chapters ;
    while there is a sub-problem here ,
    since the continuancy “from the time old-Ishral returned from exile until Christ” is
    missing [-where the ‘genealogy of Christ’ chapter is highly doubtable]  , as is the
    time “from Christ unto us” [-or was that replaced with ‘churches’ ?]  ;
    while the start of God’s rescue plan through “the calling of Abraham” is a rather
    unique type event and strange if embedded in a fore-father list : 
    therefore also Gen.11 “from Shem to Abraham” is questionable — according to
    that list Abraham was born (only) 352 years after the Flood while the life-spans
    showing there are still far too high (207 and 430 years old as post-deluge !) : 
    so that we must repeat the question ,
    IF God made trouble mentioning a set of fore-fathers , yet leaving gaps in it 
    (or didn’t He ??) then why mention a pre-Abraham continuancy , alltogether ? 
 
    Genesis 10 (‘the table of nations’) 
    … the Genesis 11 “from Shem unto Abraham” is kind of repeated in 10:21-31 
    yet in a different setting while the descendants of Shem Cham and Japheth
    are not ‘the·nations’ (and you see it’s tampered) but perhaps ‘the houses of’ 
    (to avoid the toxic term ‘bloodline’ as well as ‘tribes’ that only came into being
    as the twelve tribes of Ishral) ; 
    so that after the Flood a number of ‘clans’ (‘houses’) must have come into
    being as opposed to a specific line of identifiable fore-fathers , as clans that
    existed for unspecified time until Abraham was called out of one of them :    
    this appears to be a workable option does it not ?
 
    it could also explain how Abraham “was called out of nowhere” even though
    his father seems to be mentioned – but as a father out of a certain clan !
    and Gen.12 , about ‘the calling of Abraham’ , states in line 1 “and IEUE says
    to Abraham : go out from the house of your father” !
    IF this model is true it suggests ‘that God waited an unspecified (long) time’ 
    as the very reason why He did NOT list a specific set of fore-fathers !
    perhaps this time frame even was a foreshadowing of the ‘tribes theme’ ,
    where He would choose specific persons out of a number of tribes ….
 
    yet this implies that Gen.11:10-31 “from Shem to Abraham” is corrupt   
    or at least ‘the version showing there’ is — it maximum can have described
    how “Abraham was born into one of the clans of Shem” ;
    it’s unclear why Esau made the trouble to corrupt this section – perhaps to
    suggest the silly notion of ‘Abraham born 352 years after the Deluge’ in
    order to mutilate any sound time frame
    or was it just ‘to fill up the space’ – to create an assumed complete chapter –
    after he moved the alleged ‘tower section’ from the earlier theme , hence
    this being a poor copy of the final third of Genesis 10 ?
 
    2) ‘the·land divided in the days of Peleg’ 
    … no one knows what this means – yet you see that ‘ the·land’ is corrupt ;
    instead , some “family split” akin to “Jacob & Esau” must have happened
    since the line reads “and Eber begat two sons : Peleg and Ioktan” :
    strongly suggesting that this main clan itsélf may have split up , 
    and it’s very possible that therefore right after Abraham was called out of
    the clan that had remained loyal to God ! 
 
    however , it’s impossible to see ‘what the split was about’ : the wayward
    brother (-iqtn) is an impossible root , perhaps related to ‘burning’ , while
    the corrupt line 30 adds “and·he-is-becoming dwelling-of·them from·Mesha
    to-come-of·you Sephar·ward mountain-of the·east” ;
    perhaps – just perhaps – related to Sumer .. ?
 
    why did Sumer appear – 4000 BC ? :
    … what made them gods – probably the serpent-race – to again manifest
    on earth and shortly followed by the ancient Egyptian civilization ? 
    the only answer must be “since they knew that Abraham was to be called”
    and searched to block the start of the rescue plan of God — and though we 
    don’t know exactly “hów then they tried to block it” one aspect here is very 
    telling , namely that Abraham was called out of (Sumerian) Ur !
    if Abraham was out of the ‘good side of that clan’ , could it imply that the evil
    side became captivated by ‘Sumer’ ? perhaps as mistaking those deities for
    our IEUE ? would that not be the goal of those deities showing up :
    deluding our type souls by posing as He ?
 
    perhaps line 30 didn’t say ‘sephar’ but ‘shinar’ or even ‘sumer’ ? 
    and though ‘the·east’ is tampered it does fit this idea , perhaps tampered
    because the preceding word was not ‘mountain’ (-har) but ‘cities’ (-oir) ?
    

    a compelling reason to call Abraham :
    … let’s say that Abraham was called at a plausible 22-2100 BC ,
    would not the serpent-race have started their defense already
    in their Sumerian region , where shortly after the Ammon sons 
    started the same as their 3500 BC Egypt ?
    perhaps it is no coincidence that the shafts of the Giza pyramid
    shows an alignment at a timeframe of around 2500 BC , as if to 
    strengthen their fortress earth’ :
    did them evil beings know that God’s plan was about to start ?

    in our speculative version we have +5000 years between the Flood 
    and Abraham being called – seemingly a rediculous long time – but if the 
    pyramid was built befóre the Deluge including ‘a timer’ at 2500 BC that
    connected with ‘the stars’ while God , who explained unto our father
    Abraham everything about the Eden paradise , urged him ‘to look at the 
    heavens because your descendants would be as manifold as the stars‘ 
    [save if that line was original , ofcourse !]  
    then can there not be a contextual connection here .. ?
 
    the life of Abraham was much about “undoing the crimes of Adam” as
    our soul that had to ‘restart’ in this earthly situation – and therefore he
    may have ‘undone’ the Giza timer as well ! , being the first of us that
    actually countered an Occult Ritual ; )  ,
 
    3) ‘from 7500 BC onward’ :
    … generally it is agreed upon that fig-trees were cultivated in modern-day 
    Jordan by around 11,300 BC ; that goats and wheat were domesticated in
    the Levant by 9000 BC , and cattle by 8500 BC ; peas and lentils in the
    fertile Crescent and northern Egypt around 8000 BC , and olive trees in
    the Eastern Mediterranean by 5000 BC ; 
    if our people came to earth 9000 BC they must have had provided means
    of existence where ‘fig-trees , wheat and goats’ seem good enough for a 
    start ; shared ofcourse with the now upgraded Neanderthal population
    [euphemistically termed ‘modern humans’] 
 
    these time frames do not neccessarily conflict with ‘our’ 7500 BC Flood ;
    in fact the above listing can support our arrival around 9000 BC after the
    earlier ‘chapter of this earth’ during which nothing of substance happened 
    [except for the serpent-race having created their Neanderthals]  ;
 
    CONCLUSION : 
    … though we cannot verify ‘the pre-Flood patriarchs’ nor ‘their age’ this
    theme is not crucial while a time span of around 1500 years is good enough ;
    the narrative itself of the Flood appears little corrupted but we need to be
    careful at the end : no ‘rainbow’ was placed by the gods but ‘this moon’ ,
    while the ‘generations list’ (Gen.10) are ‘clans’ leading up to Abraham
 
    sub note :
    the Sumerian epos about “Gilgamesh and the flood” is NOT about Noah 
    but about “the serpent-race saving a number of their ówn people” just as
    the stories of the Hopi indians kept underground by their serpent-gods ;
    for one ,
    it supports our concept ‘that them gods were defending their earth’ just
    as described above – ‘saving théir people’ just as our God did us !