| [theme] : [II] : Saturn as primeval sun before this one (Râ) became the centre where ‘this moon’ — and probably earth also — were his satellites ; Sumerian Erra epic : ‘the positions of heavenly bodies changed’ , Rgveda : ‘Surya (this sun) arrived at her new place’ Earth is fed by two different systems : by ‘this sun’ linked to mystery-Babylon [-and Eden] and by Behemoth & Leviathan through Saturn > this moon [the ‘sun goes dark’ and ‘the moon turns to blood’ difference] [2026-05may.10-14] |
| this theme in progress is not against the Scroll for she really isn’t interested in this matrix region except for it being destroyed and us getting out ; but , investigating “why this moon will turn into blood” [together with this sun becoming dark] it seemed that they are two different systems and this she dóes address : in the form of Moab which is “the solar plane of the serpent race” as the coastal region surrounding mystery-Babylon |
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the “Saturn as primeval sun” is not a new idea ,
but that this sun wasn’t there at first , is
theme
the video below is a short introduction to this subject —
Marduk [‘Horus’] speaks :
“Once, long ago indeed I grew angry, indeed I left my dwelling and caused the deluge!
When I left my dwelling, the regulation of heaven and earth disintegrated:
The shaking of heaven meant [that] the positions of the heavenly bodies changed,
nor did I restore them”
Rgveda :
through sorcery-incantations ‘this sun’ Surya seems to have come from another place :
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(8) Hymns were the cross-bars of the pole, Kurira-metre decked the car:
The bridesmen were the Aśvin Pair , Agni was leader of the train.
(9) The Sun-God Savitar [=’winged-disk as copied Eden-star’]
bestowed his willing Sūrya on her Lord.
(10) Her spirit was the bridal car; the covering thereof was heaven:
Bright were both Steers that drew it when Sūrya approached her husband’s home.
(38) For thee, with bridal train, they, first [=’in the beginning’] ,
escorted Sūrya to her home.
thesis : in the beginning , this sun was not part of the solar plane
that Earth originally had Saturn as her sun already was
postulated by Velikovsky and later adapted by Talbott ,
that Saturn was a Red Dwarf and earth resided within
her larger halo — as the depiction to right , until the time
when earth got ejected and came into her present orbit ;
possibly supported by connections between both like
their “similar compositions of water” and “their same tilt”
| yet on top of that , we suggest that a new sun caused these changes when during a gigantic upheaval she was placed in the center of the until then probable binary of Saturn [and ?] so that the current “solar system” came into being with the now separate orbits of Earth and Saturn around her ; |
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and perhaps we don’t have much problems with this scenario since we know that
the fall of Eden was an even greater catastrophic cosmic event , as the Sumerian
creation epic describes ‘with howling thunderstorms and plasma tornados like
ongoing lightnings’ — and frankly we couldn’t care less about “this solar plane”
very interesting for us is the relation ‘Saturn > this moon > earth’ as step-down
with as main aspect “transmitted frequencies (-unto earth)” while that concept of
‘sound” even becomes intriguing when in the phrase “the moon turns to blood”
the root [-dm] ‘blood’ also is the root of “silence” [-dme] ,
where the latter in a Sumerian epos is linked to the Anunnaki – the serpent race ;
in part II we also will explore that frequency theme among other ones ,
but first we need to see whý “two separate systems” must be in play wherein
one links to ‘Saturn’ and the other to ‘this sun (Râ)’ – and to make sure we’re right :
two different systems in play
| the whole “symbology of Saturn” theme is very messy where people fascinated for example with its hexagon glue every occult symbol and type mythology upon it , while we need to carefully distinguish between all the symbols and texts which pertain to mystery-Babylon and symbols and text that do nót seem to fit her , and therefore must be part of a probable other system |
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today :

in the Scroll , “the nations (-of demons) that dwell on the coastland surrounding the
city of Babylon trade with her” concerning stolen Eden-aspects and especially trade
stolen aspects of the Eden-type body ,
and though we knew that the nations were “the serpent race” this subject did not
seem to develop further so we left it — until after the recent pages the it resurfaced
where the prophetic ‘Moab’ refers to the solarplane of the (real-) serpent race ,
like ‘Ammon’ refers to “the sons of Ammon” as those of Adam in mystery-Babylon ,
causing a rather important juxtaposition here linked to ‘Behemoth and Leviathan’ ;
where the deity of Moab , ‘Chemosh’ , directly links to that dual-realm ,
while that same deity is the same ‘Adam Kadmon’ theme featuring in Qabbalism : [sic]
several subjects overlap here ,
so that this page cannot be read without the ‘Nergal’ one that will be next part III
history
the dual-realm brough forth the serpent race before Eden was created by God ,
and these beings occupied ‘the south land’ as the shore of Heaven ,
in order for evil to go vampire upon [diminished-] aspects of Heaven herself ;

perhaps the earlier “fall of Satan” caused the conscious Behemoth to be corrupted
as a nature that spread out through it and infected the female Leviathan realm also ,
but either way both realms were able to create things ;
we don’t know how that could work and the Scroll tells nothing about their method ,
while the Qabalah does present a model of this (-see other page) in which for us
several aspects make sense — though others do not ;
perhaps the conscious masculine realm , and now guided (-by Satan?) succeeded
to copy beings in the image of Satan and his club with help of the Leviathan realm
either way : the threat was real ,
and God started to proceed to create Eden — in the center , at the south land ,
so that He , through the eden paradise , again would rule both halves of heaven ,
as the ultimate goal of His Covenant (-hence the ox in two halves in Genesis 15) ;
yet in the time that the serpent-race still occupied the south land ,
they must have started their own “Neanderthal project” at the Red dwarf ‘Saturn’ ,
as a project which – important – was powered by the same dualistic realm ;
| and therefore per definition only could bring forth the type flora and fauna according to the nature of the serpent-race , and because also they wanted their physical ‘sons’ they succeeded to create a humanoid-animal with an animal-type-soul as they themselves had , which however didn’t possess any consciousness of importance save the type animalistic reflexes and was overall an inferior creation compared to the later Eden beings [whose stolen aspects were used to pimp them] |
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when Eden started the serpent race relocated to the north as on top of the house
(realm) of Eden called SHE-TA “hidden land” in the Spells and as ‘register’ in Amduat ;
probably they were in the region of ‘Orion’ and in this planet-plane as well
[though it’s a bit far away , we don’t get those distances] ;
Rgveda manages to explain “that they voluntary relocated because of the intruder”
but that is not true ofcourse : in Job God says “I flung them out of the (south-) land” ,
and Sumerian lore rightly has “that they were panicking until their own hero invaded
Eden to judge her” which then again is repeated in Rgveda ,
after Adam sold them eden’s base-10 — of which only the Scroll tells the truth ;
from that moment they started to build ‘this current solar plane’ here , <<<<
we know that the serpent-race was in constant contact with this planet when after
Eden fell they brought consciousness as derivatives of base-10 to their ugly sons
the Neanderthals (-see Gobleki & handbag pages),
at the time that also we as previous Eden-souls were forcefully placed in a similar
type – but now upgraded – animalistic type Neanderthal body ;
but the question is “where was this earth , at that time ?”
perhaps at the time of Eden’s fall she still was part of the Red dwarf Saturn system ,
as in a ‘protected’ environment within his halo ,
another possibility is that she was thrust out Saturn’s halo when Eden had started
which can have caused the ice age even though she kept “a remainder of a halo”
around her — which ultimately collapsed during the Deluge ;
and when that remainder had finally collapsed the matrix installed ‘this moon’ unto
her that would regulate Saturn’s energies like her remaining halo had done before ;
agreeing that this section is speculation still ,
but it is a detail which is not undermining the whole theme ;
in the mean time the serpent-race [‘Horus’] together with Adam still had to steal the
crystal floor of the eden-Sanctuary and the many other aspects , and had to invoke
some star that would come to be ‘this sun’ Râ ,
and yes they could command heavenly bodies : for we had a spell about that ;
the many petroglyphs from around 7500 BC must show ‘the start of this solar plane’
as the time that the new sun began to rule in the time after the Deluge
this earth has ‘an unbroken (pre-Eden) system history’ until today
which is important for our case ,
because the same dual-realm still powers at least a large chunk of ‘this earth’
and especially our type body that was designed after the dual-realm model ;
wherefore per definition she must rule “the energetic blueprint of the body”
defining how a body grows — so that we have a link with ‘the moon’
[which as we hope is regulated ‘by Saturn’] ;
while what has changed is that ‘the type sunlight was replaced’ by this sun ,
as the light that indeed gives physical life to everything on earth and apart
from that functions as time-indicator , but again , does not decide hów things
grow since her light doesn’t carry the blueprints of a tree , fish or of a body
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not to make it too mechanical , but this blueprint-theme guided by Cymatics is interesting where “sound” could form the basic pattern for plasma , and could even form ‘the shape of a face’ , to right ; >> we entertained that same cymatics with the crystal floor emitting “sound” as ruling the patterns of the Eden realm but we’re very careful to go any further concerning eden because considered the nature of God and the stunning beauty of our Originals we can only guess in what form and for what purpose ‘sound’ could be used in Eden ; perhaps ‘for supporting secondary concepts’ |
while there is another important factor concerning ‘this sun’ —
since we are imprisoned Jacob-souls inside this type dual-realm body ,
this sun together with her [stolen-] light also radiates certain very diminished
eden-aspects with it , also stolen , or our soul would never survive downhere :
we saw that Sumer , Rgveda and the Spells all tell that stolen eden-aspects
power this sun Râ , and though all them demons feed off those rays , in our
case the light also contains ‘a soothing aspect for our soul’ ,
for if it were not so she would die because of the unlivable Iron matrix realm
wherein it is impossible for her to breath or to move without hurting
[and exactly this will happen during the Tribulation when the sun got dark …]
so that we have two separate systems in play here , [conclusion :]
as one featuring ‘this sun’ belonging to the mystery-Babylon theme ,
and the other “energetic blueprint” one belonging to the dualistic realm ,
validifying our search in the Moab > serpent race > solar plane theme ,
though we will need a new page for this for this subject will get very messy :
— “the moon becomes like blood” , ‘blood’ (-dm) : why ?
— same root (-dme) as “silence” (and ‘cut off’)
— Sumerian epic of Erra : “the Annunaki (serpent-race) love silence” <<
— so ‘this moon’ is linked to ‘blood’ , ‘red’ and ‘silence’ (‘cut off’)
— the “silence” appears in several chapters about the serpent-race , as in Obadiah and :

for example Zephaniah :
ch.1 main theme : our ones out of Cush vs ‘the sons of the serpent race’ [Canaanites]
1 Zephaniah son of Cush
4 Baal (but corrupt)
5 worship host of heavens
7 day of IEUE [context]
11 the people of canaan are silenced (‘cut off’)
14 day of IEUE
15 day of darkness [also ‘moon’ theme ?]
16 day of trumpet
17 blood [linked to ‘moon’?]
18 fire [linked to ‘moon’ : fire coming from Saturn making the moon ‘red’ , Jer.49 ?] <<<
part II
mechanics
it’s difficult to find proper material
and / or to go filter out from sections we áre able to use
[we’ll dive into this theme after posting the other pages] ;
to right : the cymatics + from Saturn + via this moon
and “the ringmakers of Saturn” theme ,
the latter is highly interesting and we knew it for years
but it feels so opposed to the current (Scroll-) themes
that we kept it at bay for ourselves : not because the
crafts or their function would be impossible
[see the 1561 Nuremberg celestial phenomenon]
but the ‘UFO theme’ belongs to this type reality and is
irreconcilable with the Eden one and the Scroll
PDF :
a useful site is thunderbolts.info also on YT ,
but also here one must use the plasma sections and not the mythical ones ;
below : the (Celtic) ‘sun cross’ probably represented the plasma cross around
this sun especially during her birth (beginning) , where the lower pinch (tube)
feeding the star (the sun) to left we imagine as “the feed by the crystal floor”