intro to “the night in the garden” : [a double-theme about-] ‘the death of the soul’ which Adam refúsed to give to God – but offered unto Him by Christ , and now you & we [+ a very probable Firstfruits date] [version ; 2025-01jan.12-16- ] |
… it appears that ‘an unfinished theme’ is in play still and hence “the 70th day” went by empty this month ; as an ongoing theme having the key word ‘trial’ that links to “Peter’s denial” and ‘the Gethsemane garden’ and by their context our date should be at .. Passover please — because this theme is of unusual complexity perhaps it’s best that you first read the fulltext (here) then the longer intro — or at least the preface please , about our responsibility that Adam refused to take |
preface : the ’70th day’ that turned out empty
…as another date we had to add to the list of failed dates of this (biblical) year —
drowning souls will do anything to be rescued – is it not – and that pressure led us
to understand the méaning of each subsequential Feast , which in hindsight was
far more important as ‘the date itself’ ;
and we really , by every context , hoped it would be over after this 70 days theme
during that devastating weekend (-only a couple of days ago..) out of nowhere yet
very persistently the theme of “Peter’s denial” came to mind ; but looking at it there
was no relation with our situation … — until the phrase “trial” jumped out ,
combined with the “denial” and her possible juxta “acceptance”
yet that would make “the three times denial by Peter” NOT just “an event in itself”
but it would need a continuation : in the garden of Gethsemane ! because in there
is also ‘a trial’ and ‘three times’ ! but since the context of “Peter’s denial” clearly
was about ‘the disciples‘ the Gethsemane one must have been ‘about the sons’ !
and the main theme in that garden is “death” — namely His’ ;
yet how to correlate His situation with ‘trial’ and ‘three times’ and ‘sons’ (you & we) ?
because here we touch upon the if not most sacred section of all of NT and we can
not afford to misunderstand what was réally intended there
looking at the section , He can not have said “let this + cup + pass” ,
because He knéw what was waiting Him the moment He left heaven , so that here
showed a core message that Esau has tweaked through his deflecting lines using
his cursed “plausible deniability (how appropriate)” method ,
where the Core theme was ‘Christ offering that which Adam ran away from” so
that the main theme here was not “Him fearing the crucifixion” — even though there
is little doubt thát He feared it at that point in time : as we would — but the theme of
the ‘dying of the soul — as the ultimate gift that God would accept ,
exactly that which Adam refúsed to do after having committed the Original Sin !
and we knew that ‘the cross’ represented “that tree of good & evil” so that the only
conclusion can be that He completely Undid the Original Sin through this gift …
the dying soul
… reasoning backwards , this must have been the theme of “Peter’s denial” as well
but at that point in Time the disciples were not asked “to lay down the soul” as the
phrasing in the text there ! hénce the entire “denial” theme !
yet consequently , it implies that this dying IS asked of you & we (males) !
therefore the intro below will contain a section about this strange ‘dying’ as a theme
so .. unknown in christianity that you won’t find anything about it on the Net
extension until ‘(the day of-) Firstfruits’
… we still don’t know where to place the just expired ’70 days’ in the larger scheme
(though we may find an answer soon) , but considered this main theme including
the concept of ‘following (Him)’ it may well be that the dying ends at … Passover ,
while the restored text so far (-see part II page) seems to confirm this —
whereby we must conclude that “the 70 days – and that find itsélf” was not wrong
but the same time still part of this “trial of three times” theme …
now that we have a workable concept per the above we’re able to approach the text : yet she is so deeply corrupted while having inversed twists that all we can do is try to get as close possible to the original intent |
(double-) theme
“Peter’s denial” >> into >> “the disciples sleeping in the garden”
…what Esau did was “having Merged both story lines into one event” so that first
we need to disentangle both events so that we know which lines and themes have
pertained ‘to the disciples’ and which lines and ideas to you & we the sons :
KJV RESTORED
[two stories as one] [first story line : ———– second story line :]
[probably still at the banquet :] [probably still at the banquet :]
– to disciples : love eachother – to disciples : love God like I do
– Peter : I will always follow you – Peter : I will lay down my soul
[theme : physical death]
– answer : you will deny me 3x – answer : you will deny me 3x
before morning starts [rooster] before morning starts [rooster] [theme : the soul dying]
– going to Gethsemane – going to Gethsemane
– soul of Him is sad + death where Christ prays
– disciples fall asleep 3x – about you & we (?) 3x
& some time frame & some time frame
[said after 3x : ‘now go sleep’ , [IF about you & we
next line : ‘awake !’ — how ?] then about ‘His return’]
– later : Peter denies 3x – Peter denies 3x – you & we not deny
[during some trial] [during some trial] [during some trial]
& morning started & morning started & eden-morning starts (?)
[intro : upcoming next week]
corruptions : total (see below)
theme : context restored & syntax to a very high degree
fulltext : below
John 13:31-38 “official” text for the past 2000 years (-and still !) , paraphrased :
“guys , I am leaving you soon”
“where you go ?”
“I go there where you cannot find me”
“why can we not find you ?”
“because you need to love eachother”
“but whére you go ?”
“there where you cannot follow me”
“but why we cannot follow you now ?”
and 2000 years long not one Red Flag was raised about this nonsense discussion …
John 13 (31-38 intro)
the justification unto God : #1 through Golgotha [do please see intro]
#2 through the restored Scroll (later)
#3 through death , as recompense :
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soul dying to flesh soul herself dying (the Adam theme)
fulltext : [Judas just left to go sell-out the scroll (see ‘Judas’ page) :]
31
after he had gone out ,
Jesus says :
now has come the time that the Son of man will be glorified [‘honoured & restored’]
so that God will be glorified through him ; + [‘honoured’]
32
because unto God will be done justification through me [‘explained in next 33’]
therefore God will justify yóu (‘people’) through me
and he will soon (or ‘later on’) be glorifying you ; [‘honouring & restoring’]
33
now : he justifies you through which I am about to do for you , [golgotha ; #1]
and he will restóre you + [‘in our Originals’ – later]
when his scroll will be declared by the sons of Ishral ; [the scroll : #2]
yet the soul +
will (still-) have to recompense unto Him + [hupagó=apotinô]
that which he desired to receive ; [erchomai=anadechomai] [recompense ; #3]
therefore I say this to you :
34
I am giving you a new commandment ,
that one should love God like I love him ,
and that one would die for him ; + [agapaó=apothnêskô !]
35
because by this the Father will know + [35 : the ‘first type death’ :]
that you are my followers , [‘male & female’]
if your soul will die to her own flesh ; [lines 1-20 + ‘parables’]
36
now please : [36 : the ‘2nd type death’ :]
Adam refused to lay down his soul before the Father + [petros=patêr !]
after he had sinned , [hupoagó=hamartanô]
as his guilt upon you +
which I (also-) am recompensing unto God ; [hupagó=apotinô] [see part II page]
as for you , you are not able to follow me in this ,
however , the sons (‘you & we’) of Ishral will be following me ; [hysteron=yhios]
37
then Peter says to him : [b/c of the sons !]
Lord , why are wé not able to follow you in this ?
because I for one will lay down my soul before him ; [as ‘the 2nd type death’]
and likewise also say all his disciples ;
38
but Jesus answers him :
you will not as much (‘even’) want to (physically-) die with me :
verily , verily I say to you :
the rooster (or ‘[city-] trumpet’ ?) will not sound till you have denied me thrice .
end of section >>> continued text (!) in Gethsemane page
John 13 (31-38 intro)
[Judas (?) is allowed to go sell-out the Scroll (see ‘Judas’ page) :]
[31-32 :
impossible read ;
only because we did the Gethsemane section here must show ‘glorify’ and ‘justify’ ,
as ‘the intro to the laying down the soul’ theme (-also see part II page) ;
b) considered ‘Judas’ : line 29 has “Judas + had + the + bag” , said to be ‘money bag’ ,
yet as the bizarre (-glósso-komen) with the Red flag (-glósso) ‘tongue , language’
and (-komeo) ‘to take care’ : we bet it was “caretaker of the documents (scroll)” ?!
in a villain’s mind how far is ‘scroll’ from ‘language’ ?!
c) but now we also have a problem :
does the upcoming theme – now – still refer to the scroll theme ? or did that close in line 30 ? :]
31-32
“Therefore, when he [=Judas] was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified,
and God is glorified in him. If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself,
and shall straightway glorify him.”
31
[..] – when=after – he (‘Judas’) (had) gone out , [31-32 : the probable reasoning :]
b
[..] Jesus – says :
c
now (-has come the time that) – the – Son of – [..] man – (will be) glorified (‘honoured & restored’)
d
and=so that (?) – [..] God – (will be) glorified (‘honoured’) – in=through – him ;
32
if=because – [..] God – (will be) glorified=justified (doxazó=dikaioô) – in=through – him=me ,
–
[“God will be done justice through me” — the ‘laying down the soul’ theme]
b
and=therefore – [..] God – (will) glorify=justify – him=yóu (‘people’) – in=through – himself=me
c
and – (will be) immediately=soon (or ‘later on’) – glorifying – him=you ;
[next 33 : even móre difficult —
a) the ‘little children yet a little while I am with you’ is obviously FALSE ,
[apart from the fact that the “announcement of goodbye” showed in line 31 already] ,
but what did it say ?
b) it has to continue the theme (of 31-32) but how ?
c) if after this comes the theme “Peter (disciples) cannot do this (theme)” [see “cannot + come” !] ,
then here a line about “but it will not be the time for yóu , yet” ?
d) ‘repay , recompence’ [verbs] (-apotinô) (-antapo-didômi) :]
e) memo : see other ‘where he goes we cannot come’ ; but NONSENSE line here ;
33
“Little children, yet a little while I am with you.
Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you:”
33
(because-) [+he] little children=justifies (teknos=dikaioô) – still=you +
b
(through-) little=which – I (am) (about to-) am=do – with=for – you , [golgotha ; #1]
c
(and-) you=he (will) seek=restóre (Zéteó=katartiZô , the -z) – me=you + [‘in Original’ – later]
d
and=when – [+his] as=scroll (kathOs=bibliOn no match) + [the scroll ; #2]
e
(will have been) said=declared (!) (-unto him) – (by) the – jews=sons (-of Ishral) (ioudaios=yhios) ;
f
for=yet – (the-) where=soul (hopou=psuché) + [recompense ; as #3 ?]
c
(will) (still?) (have) to go=pay the recompense (hupagó=apotinô) – I=unto – you=him (God) +
d
not=which – [+he] able=desired – to come=receive (erchomai=anadechomai) ;
e
and=therefore – I say – now=this – (to-) you :
note :
… question is whether the recompense is a separate requirement or ‘linked to the scroll’ —
however it could be separate because of ‘the triple trial’ , see below (-and Gethsemane page) ?
part I b :
‘recompense’ (‘to die by laying down the soul’) is different from ‘brought to (physical-) death’
[next 34 :
the theme can hardly be “love your neighbour like yourself” [Lev.19:18 ?] but is something deeper ;
hence the added “new (-commandment)” makes sense [-because nót the Leviticus one] :]
34
“A new commandment I give unto you,
That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
34
I (am) giving – you – (a-) new – commandment ,
b
that – [=one] (?) (should) love – eachother=God (allêlous=theos , as shown) – like – *I* love – you=him ,
c
[next : you see that the repeat in KJV makes little sense now :] [c : see note]
–
and – that – [=one] – (would) love=die (agapaó=apothnêskô) – [for-] eachother=him (allêlous=autos) ; +
note :
… one cannot help wondering how c) relates to the persecutions of christians shortly after ..
[next 35 : now above line c) specified —
Esau carefully removed everywhere the notion of “the soul dying to the flesh” save some
lines (elsewhere in NT) about “battling the flesh”, and we must remember that therefore
He was so close to the first christians becáuse they had renounced the flesh]
35
“By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”
35
(because-) [=by] – this – (the-) all=Father (pas=pater) – (will) know + [‘first type death’]
b
that – you are – my – followers , [‘male & female’]
c
if – [+your] love=soul (agapé=psuché) – (will have) have=died (‘no match’) +
d
in=to – [+her] (-own) another=flesh (allêlois=sarx) ; [‘see lines 1-20 here + alleged ‘parables’]
[next 36 : getting more difficult by the minute —
because of Peter’s objection (in next line) we need ‘something nót asked of them’ here ;
also implying that the previous dying to the flesh is ‘a standard’ request ! :]
36
“Simon Peter said unto him,
Lord, whither goest thou? [< Esau’s constant silly superficial ‘to go’ and ‘to drink’ is infuriating]
Jesus answered him,
Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.”
36
(now) : him=Adam (?) (autos=adam) – said=refused (?) +
b
to lord=lay down (?) – [+his] simon=soul (simôn=psuché) – (before-) (the-) peter=Father (petros=patêr) +
c
whither=after – you=he (had) go=sinned (hupagó=hamartanô) ,
d
(as-) his – answered=guilt (?) (apokrinomai=opheilô , no noun) – the=upon (?) – jesus=you (?) +
e
(which-) I [+also?] (am) go=recompensing (?) (hupagó=apotinô) + [‘also’ : as #3d ]
f
(unto-) whither=God (hopou=theos) ; [e : as ‘ongoing’ , see part II page]
g
[+as for you] , you (are) – not – able – to follow – me – (in-) now=this (-specific aspect) ,
h
[=but] – (the-) after=sons (hysteron=yhios) [+of Ishral] – (will be) following – me ; [you & we]
37
“Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
[Mt.26:35-b:]
“Likewise also said all the disciples.”
37
(but-) [..] Peter – says – (to-) him :
b
Lord , why – (are) I=wé – not – able – to follow – you – (in-) now=this ?
c
(because-) I (-for one) (will) lay down – [..] my – soul – before – you=him ;
b
(and-) likewise – also – say – all – [..] [+his] disciples ;
[next 38 : what was the intent ? :]
38
“Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake?
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice. “
[Mt.26:35-a:]
“[Peter said unto him,] Though I should die with thee, [yet will I not deny thee] .”
38
(however) , [..] Jesus – answers – him :
b
(you-) (will) – the=not – soul=as much (‘even’) (?) +
c
you=want – to (physically-) lay down=die – for=with – me :
d
verily , verily – I say – (to-) you :
e
(the-) rooster (or : ‘(city-) trumpet’ ?) – (will) not – sound – till – you (have) denied – me – thrice ;
end of section >>> continued : ‘the Gethsemane garden’ (-see page)