gospels : no ‘let this cup pass’
but about the compensation 
    [‘laying down the soul for God’]  
that Adam didn’t want to give
so now you & we are asked to
[ending Firstfruits 2025 (?)] 

[version ; 2025-01jan.13-15] 

 

PART II : continued

… suggesting please that you first read the (fulltext)
then returning to the intro ; do remember this section
is the continuation of “Peter’s denial” see other page
 
also ‘the 70th day’ went by empty – this may be why ..
gospels : no ‘let this cup pass’  but about ‘laying down the soul for God’

 
                                                                   continued theme
 
     why Christ did not pray ‘let this cup pass’ — but ‘accept this recompense’ 
 
     … the sacrifice as the gift – so called in prophets – of Christ is perhaps the most
     sacred event and therefore we approach it very carefully ,
     but since the theme of “Peter’s denial” that turned out to be the introduction to
     this event contained a different message – because of Esau’s corruption of it –
     we must be prepared that he also corrupted the real message here : concealed
     by that same sacredness that believers will be afraid to touch… which he knew !
 
     why Christ could not have asked that
     … we should not confuse ‘fear’ with ‘the main theme’   —
     ofcóurse anyone of us would deeply fear if we faced such a torturous death 
     and there is no reason to assume that He did not fear it also :
     yet He had come from heaven knowing full well what was waiting Him here
     [and please remember that He first went through the torture in Mystery-Babylon
     through which all of us had to go !]  , and that only the completion of the torture
     upon this earth would fulfill the goal for which He left heaven in the first place ..
 
     one can argue “that in the understandable moment of fear He asked for the cup
     to pass if that were possible” and that “it was recorded to show He was human” ,
     yet though that sounds logical it is not the point    —
     for Esau was cruel enough to hide the ultimate reason for His death here :
     to give rightful compensation (‘satisfaction’) unto God which He never received
     [sic !]  ever since Adam committed that Original Sin at that evil tree ,
     for Adam just did not want to give that compensation — while he knowingly 
     has put us in a situation that we would never be áble to give that unto God ,
     so that Christ took it upon Himself to give that recompense unto Him , 
     yet in order that some of us would give that recompense to Him ,
     since we souls carry the (Eden-) inheritance that Adam has squandered ,
     and the recompense God desires (of male) is ‘the laying down of the soul’ 
      
     … the above can hardly be phrased any shorter   —
     Christ came down here to become into the woeful position we souls are in ,
     indeed again placing the soul into a Legal righteous position towards God ,
     yet recompense was needed in order for the Eden situation to be restored  
     because thére it all went Wrong in the olden time — at that evil tree ,
     and since God’s ultimate desire is “to have His beautiful garden restored” with
     all the saved souls IN it , the resolving of this ‘compensation theme’ is crucial !
     and exactly the reason why Esau corrupted it !  ,                                                                                                     <<<
     highlighting the physical-emotional aspect of His death – to hide the Eden one

     His ‘laying down of the soul’ to be followed
     … considering the above it makes you to see (-in part)
     how incredible deep He had to descend in order to get
     to our situation — of which not the crucifixion was the
     darkest end but “the losing of his own soul” ,
     as the carrier of whom a being is …
 
     this also puts in perspective the event of Abraham 
     right before offering his own son : in Gen.22 the angel 
     of the Lord appears – Christ himself – preventing that
     Abraham’s only son would die , implying that He as 
 
 
gospels : no ‘let this cup pass’  but about the laying down the soul for God (figure chosen on purpose)

     the only Son of God would : it almost is a too sacred matter to ponder how our
     majestic deity lost his own son unto death as the real loss of whom a being is …
 
     but the Sorcerous state of the Jacob-soul has No Clue of the implication here
     even he may repeat a hundred times over ‘how Christ died on the cross for him’ ,
     because the own cursed ‘mind’ is supported by Esau’s text deflections intended
     to cause an extremely superficial view of the most sacred events …
     [and , looking at the illogical repeats in Gen.22 , Esau did the same here] 
 
     therefore from God’s point of view it is not unreasonable to ask the same of us ,
     even though it may be but ‘a rather poor reflection’ of what Christ did concerning
     the laying down of the soul , the ‘ceasing to be’ ;
     the ‘us’ here being the handful of males in our small group — not the females , 
     which He will not ask from the wider 144 , let alone ‘from Jacob’ 
 
     the ‘anger of God upon Christ so that it wouldn’t be upon us’ — not true
     … because immediately related to all the above    —
     though the Isaiah 53 chapter , spoken to the nations (-of demons) has the true
     line about “He will be smitten for their sin” – namely ‘this type body of the soul’ ,
     Esau’s corruptions in this case especially in NT) have caused the idea that the
     anger of God was upon Christ so it wouldn’ be upon us : but how ?
     how. could. God. possibly. ‘be angry’. upon. Him ?
     Esau caused that idea to generate “souls that would not die to their own flesh”
     so that they would remain sensitive for the heathen ‘punishment & reward’ way
     of thinking that turns God into some Zeus type ;
     secondly it is Untrue because eventually God will pour out His wrath : so said
     as ‘during the time of the Tribulation’ — for the very reason above !
     and finally , perhaps the most important , Christ declaring that He loves God
     (see restored text below) as the only reason why he was able to descend to
     this abyss which is our prison … 
 
                                                            text notes (36-45)
 
     KJV : the Drowsy Disciples : a farce
     … mind you , not the prayer but the setting around it —
     the “going back and forth to sleeping disciples” serves no purpose whatsoever
     in spite of the heathen ‘concordances’ explaining that the disciples at that point
     were ’emotionally spent’ (-so what ?) , because like all of Esau’s tales there is
     no deeper meaning behind the alleged “sleeping” nor is it explained
     the ‘three times’ :
     because the intro to this section was “Peter’s denial” also having “three times”
     the message here is about the sons of Ishral – you & we here ! – and please see
     that page how the context there decided this one ;
     starting at Weeks (Pentecost) :
     first because of the juxta “denial” (Peter’s) and hence “acceptance” : namely
     as the requested sacrifice that God would accept , starting at the day of Weeks
     when “the trial” will begin (have begun) until she will end at the next Pentecost :
     where the closing strongly suggests ‘Firstfruits’ as our date   —
     please also see upcoming related pages
     Matthew 26 :
     (37)
     “he takes (John , and …?) with himself”
     … because just previously the discussion happened with especially Peter it is
     not logical – considered the ongoing theme – that He would chose Peter here ;  
     (38)
     “I have laid down my soul before God , even until death”
     … the past-tense is important here ,
     because the same phrasing was already used at the “Peter’s denial” (see page)
     while His admonishing there “love God like I do” shows that He already battled
     this very aspect — or even long before that time ! ;
     the term “great sorrow” is in previous line and has NO repetition here but Esau
     did that to cover-up the main theme ;
     “now I am moved with fear for which will be next” 
     … we did not want to leave out a reference like this to the crucifixion
     (yes it sounds blasphemous to say so – but this is what ‘restoring text’ is about) ,
     but also because “this was the last point in Time in which He could convey the
     important theme at hand” ;
     (40)
     “let them be strong from the appointed time of Weeks” 
     … KJV has “one + hour” here , as time frame  —
     combined with the running theme of “acceptance” but ALSO the “trial theme” 
     as a time period that begins at Weeks (-and see related pages) ;
     the ‘be strong !’ also shows in (the impossible) Haggai 2 , more about that later ;
     (41)
     “their soul will enter into the trial” 
     … said about you & we : we hád “the trial as judging the heart” in a NT section
     but we partly misunderstood the real subject of it — see Peter’s denial page ,
     and by coincidence (well..) the “heart” thing appeared in the line ;
     (45)
     “the Son of man will gather the firstfruits”
     … once the content of the section so far is a different one , also the phrase
     as ‘Son of man’ changes context : suspicious here first was the weird saying
     as “sleep now” followed by “arise , quickly !” , combined with the unnatural
     repeats ‘betrayal’ and ‘the hands of’ – compare lines 45 and 46
 
corruptions : impossible …
theme  : context : restored — syntax : high , per the theme
used  : Mt.24 and see the mirror Lk.22 & the very corrupt mirror Mk.14
fulltext : below
 
this probably was the most difficult page concerning you , Sir ,
you know the emotional blackmail of Esau’s corrupt representations
and we desired to find the core of your sacrifice as the gift , the ultimate reason
why you chose to do this both for us and for your Father — to have Eden back ;
you know that we tried our best to get as close possible to what you spoke here
in order to be sure that we the sons would understand & follow you     —

 
 
Matthew 26   (36-45 : continued)

 
                                                                                             [situation : very early – still dark – at the day of Passover ,
fulltext :                                                                            and they just left that room , the “Peter’s Denial” theme :] 
36
then Jesus goes with them to the place called Gethsemane ,
and says to the disciples :
be seated here while I will go to pray overthere ;       
37
and he takes (John , and … ?) with himself ,
to whom he desires to tell his great sorrow ;     
38
saying unto them :
I have laid down my soul before God , even until death :                                       [‘past tense’]   [main theme]           
now I am moved with fear for that which will be next ,                                                                  [‘the crucifixion’] 
therefore watch with me ;
39                                                                                                                                                                                       [the ‘cup’ line :] 
and he moves a little further away , falling on his face to pray , saying : 
my Father ,                 
it has been your wish    +
to accept     +                                                                                                                            [parerchomai=prosdechomai !] 
this repaying (‘recompense’) from me ,                                                                                           [potérion=apotinô !] 
which the soul of Adam was not willing to give unto you ;                                                          [‘soul’ : probably] 
40
therefore , when you will have made to arise the sons of Ishral ,                                                         [‘you & we’] 
that will have restored your scroll and declared him to you :                                                    [‘at Unleavened’] 
let them be strong     +                                                                                                                                  [Haggai 2 (theme?)] 
from the appointed time of Weeks    +                                                                                                                               [2nd] 
when you will have accepted him (‘scroll’) from them ;    +                                                          [compare line 39] 
41                                                                                                     
because their soul that (already-) will have been sorrowful                                      [‘by dying to body’]  [1st] 
will enter into the trial of laying down their soul before you ,                                                                     [see 38 !] 
when their heart (‘intentions’) will be put to the test ;    + 
42
for the second grief will diminish their soul ,
but they will [+not yet]  understand how their trial concerns your wish     +
that you would accept this repaying (‘recompense’) from themsélves , 
which the soul of Adam did not want to give to you ;
43
then will be the time that they will be finding the key   +                                                [‘Atonement the 14th’]  
as the appointed time of Atonement (?) ,                                                                                     [katheudó=katallagê] 
[b : impossible : “were for of-them the eyes having-been-heavied”]   
and they will not understand      +
whý they will have to wait longer still ;    +                                                               [apokrinomia=apekdechomai] 
44
for their soul will have left them     +
as the third trial     +                                                                                                         [proseuchomai=peirasmos]   [3d] 
until the day of Passover (?) will come to be ;                                                                           [unsure but see next :] 
45
yet then you will accept      +                                                                                                     [erchomai=prosdechomai] 
their repaying (‘recompense’) from them
which they will have offered unto you ;                 
and they will rejoice henceforth and rest ,
because the day will have come      + 
that the Son of man     +                                                                                                                          [next : AT ‘Firstfruits’] 
will gather all of the firstfruits (‘144’) of the people .                                              [‘hands’ : cheiras=aparchê !] 
 
46 >> further : Christ is arrested + Peter denies 3x 
 
end of section

 

 
Matthew 26   (36-45 : continued)

 
[next 36 : they just left the (banquet-) room , see previous “Peter’s denial” :] 
36
“Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, 
and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.”
36
[=then]  – [..]  Jesus – goes – with – them – to – (a-) place – called – Gethsemane ,
b
and – says – (to-) the – disciples :
c
(be) seated – here – while – [..]  I (will) go – to pray – overthere ;      + 

 
37
“And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
37
and – he takes – (… certain ones of them (hardly ‘Peter’ : John ?) …) – [Mk.14:]  with – himself ,
b
(to whom-) he [=desires]  – to [=tell]  – [+his]  great sorrow ;     +                                                            [see note] 

note :
a) becáuse of Peter’s denial it’s unlikely that He took him – see rest of text ,
b) the “begins to” is suspicious : he was already sorrowful (see text further) ,
      so this is Esau’s introduction to the (corrupted-) prayer , and see next ,
c) he took this (or these) disciple to remember what was the theme here 
      or the action of ‘taking this one with him’ makes no sense ,
 
[next 38 : now the réason of the great sorrow — not ‘a repeat of being sorrowful’ :] 
38
“Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: 
tarry ye here, and watch with me.”
38
[..]  saying – (unto-) them :
b
[+I]  (have) sorrow stricked=laid down (perilupos=apotithêmi) – [..]  my – soul      +
c
(before-) is=God (estin=theos as shown) , (even-) until – death :              
[b-c : see “Peter’s denial” page] 
d
(now-) [+I]  (am) remain=moved with fear (meinate=eulabeomai)     +
e
(for that which will be) here=next (hode=heteros) ,
f
and=therefore – watch – with – me ; 

 
39
(a) “And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, 
(b)  O my Father, if it be possible, 
(c)  (let-) this + cup + pass + from + me: 
(d)  nevertheless not as (I will), but as thou [wilt] .”                                           [1x verb] 
       (d 42)
       except I drink it, thy + will be done [=become] .”                                       [2x verb] 
       (Lk.22:42)
       nevertheless not my + will, but thine, be done [=become] .”             [1x verb] 
39
and – he moves – (a-) little (-further away) , falling – on – his – face – to pray ,
b
saying : my – Father ,
c
[w/ swapped 1x and “will” was swapped with below :] 

it (has) been – if=your – possible=wish (‘desire , will’) (dunatos=theló)     +
c
to pass by=accept (parerchomai=prosdechomai)      +                                               [d : or ‘my + recompense’] 
d
this – cup=repaying (‘recompense’) (potérion=apotinô) – from – me ,                            [no noun in Greek] 
e

[now almost inavoidable the ‘Adam’ theme :] 

    however=which – (the-) as=soul (?) (hos=psuché) of – you=Adam (?) (su=adam , no match)     +
    f
    (was) I=not – willing – to but=give – not=unto – as=you ;                                              [the ‘denial’ theme !] 
    [e-f :
    as “which unto you nót he-was-willing to-be-giving the soul of-adam” 
    or “which the soul of-adam nót he-was-willing to-be-giving unto you”] 

note : 
a) a great PROOF here that the “Peter’s denial” and this section belonged together ! ,
b) though denial is the juxta of acceptance we cannot say “Adam denied (refused) it” 
     since he is not the recipient but the guilty party – so “he did not want to” ;
c) complete as “Adam did not wánt to give recompense” ;
 
    [next : several words & concepts match – but only Matthew starts with the ‘3x count’ :
    however : in both Matthew and Luke shows ‘a second time’ (namely ‘about you & we’ !)
    so that Luke confirms “the second time is about the sons” theme , yet then we dismiss Luke
    because we still need “the 3x” according to Peter’s regretful event :] 
 
40
(a) “And he cometh + unto the disciples
(b)  and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, 
(c)  What, could ye not (watch with me one hour?”                                [‘are you + not + strong + to watch’]  
(Lk22:43)
“And there appeared + an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.”
… here ,
you see the original (once) was similar but both Esau’s now started their own way from here ;
and our main problem now is “the one + hour” integrated with “the 2nd time about the sons” :
40
(therefore-) , and=when – you (will have) made to come=arise
b
[..]  the – disciples=sons – [Lk22 :]  of angel=Ishral
c
that – (will have) find=restored (heuriskó=katartizô) – [swapped :]  them=your – asleep=scroll
d
and – say=declared (!) – the=him – (to-) peter=you ,                                                                      [‘at Unleavened’] 
e
thus=that – [swapped :]  you (let) – not=them – (be) strong      +                                  [‘strong’ : Haggai 2 (?)] 
f
(from-) (the-) one=appointed time (?) (heis=prothesmia) of – hour=Weeks 
g
(when-) [+you]  (will have) watch=accepted (‘no match b/c excuse-word’) [+him]  – [=from]  – me=them ;

 
[next 41 : skipped in Luke 22 ;
but we need the important ‘trial’ here ! ;
while we may need the phrase ‘lay (down)’ (-tithemi) from John 13 
(as well as from line 37 ‘sorrowful’ (lupeó) [noun !]  and ‘distressed’ (adémoneó) , 
or ‘grieved’ (perilupos) from line 40 (but is similar to lupeó) :] 
41
(a) “Watch and pray,                                                                                      [< so tiring those excuse-words , like ‘go’]  
(b)  that ye enter not into temptation: 
(c)  the spirit indeed [is]  willing, but the flesh [is]  weak.”
41
[=but]  – [+their]  pray=soul (proseucho-mai=psuché)        +                                                             [a-b : line 38 !] 
b
(will have become) watch=sorrowful (grégoreó=lypeô) ,
c
because – you=they (will have) entered – into – (a-) trial of                                                            [‘see intro pls’] 
     d
     willing=laying down (pro-thumos=tithemi) – [+their]  spirit=soul (!) – the=for – indeed=you ,
     e
     [this really can be anything — yet would we have the ‘love theme’ now ?
     (asthenés looks like alêthës ‘true’ – ‘true love’ ? or ‘true death’ ? mmm…) ; 
     or something like ‘but they will not understand what is going on’ (more logical) ?
     [wait , He did say in that (NT) section something like ‘the heart will be tried’ :] 
     –
     [..]  but=when – [+their]  flesh=heart (‘intentions’) (?) (sarx=kardia , relative)      +
    f
     (will be-) weak=put to the test (asthenés=dokimazô) ;                                                    [e-f : see NT section] 

 
42
(a) “He went away again the second time
(b)  and prayed, saying, O my Father, 
(c)  if this cup may not pass away from me,                           [c-d : now conclusion (about sons) of line 40 :] 
(d)  except I drink it, thy will be done.”
(Lk22:44)
“And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly:                                               [< read : 2nd time / the sons] 
and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
… here ,
a) the ‘second (time)’ is confusing for we don’t exactly need that phrase at this place ;
      or better said : it can also be “a second downturn” not literally “in the second feast” ;
      like Peter’s “three times” were not specified ás time-frames :
b) ‘tabernacles’ (skênopêgia) but saying “happen at Tabernacles” perhaps is Too much ;
c) memo : Lk.12:38 the ‘second + third + watch’ !! in that impossible (alleged) ‘allegory’ ? 
42
for=at – (the-) second (adj.) – again=grief (‘downturn’) (?) (palin=lypê)    +                         [compare Peter] 
b
(will) went away=vanish (apelthôn=apollymi , as shown ; 90% chance this verb was intended)     +
c
[+their]  prays=soul (proseucho-mai=psuché) ,                                                                                              [‘as in 41-e] 
d
(and-) [+they]  (will) come to said=understand (legô=ginoskô)     +


me=their – father=trial (pater=peirasmos , see 41)    +                                                            
[a-e : these days …] 
f
[now a closing version of 39 : 
“it (has) been – if=your – possible=wish (‘desire , will’) (dunatos=theló)     +
to pass by=accept (parerchomai=prosdechomai)      +                                                [d : or ‘my + recompense’] 
this – cup=repaying (‘recompense’) (potérion=apotinô) – from – me]  

if=concerns – [swapped :]  not=your – possible=wish      +
g
(that-) [+you]  (would) pass by=accept – this – cup=repaying     +                                             [‘lay down soul’] 
h
from – me=themsélves ,                                                                                                                         [as following Christ’s] 
i
no=which – [swapped :]  (the-) drinking=soul (pinó=psuché) of – it=Adam (autos=adam)
j
[w/ swapped :] 
(did) [+not]  will=want (‘verb now’) – to become=give – (to-) you ;

 
                                                                                       part II b
                                                          [now we have a ‘timing problem’ :]
 
     … the buildup of “the three griefs” becomes important now : what is ‘the third’ ?
     is that still coming ? should that make us concerned ? (it does , actually …) ;
     or did the buildup intend ‘the grief’ as secondary subject ? please compare :
 
gospels : no let this cup pass but about laying down the soul for God
   both readings are equally possible though the rightside buildup féels better ;
   the problem ofcourse is what to make of next 43-44 ‘eyes + are heavy” 
   and what to do with ‘third (time)’ in 44 : hópefully ‘Tabernacles’ now 
   [suppose it was about “finding + the key” ?]  :
 
[next 43 : we máy still have ‘an extension of the Adam theme’ as previous ending :
+ in that same “3d watch” parable (line 42) also is “the door + key” theme :] 
43
(a) “And he came and found them asleep again:
(b)  for + their + eyes + were (!) + heavy.”
(Mk.14:40)
     “neither wist they [=they knew]  what to answer him.”                       [< added] 
43
and=for – (in) came=that time (elthôn=tote , as shown)      +


he=they (will be) finding – (the-) them=key (autous=kleis)                                            [‘Atonement the 14th’] 
c
(by-) again=which (?) – [+I]  (will) asleep=return again (!) (katheudó=anakamptó) ,
     c #2 :
     (as-) (the-) again=appointed time (?) (palin=prothesmia) of     +
     –
     asleep=Atonement (?) (katheudó=katallagê) ,                                 [c#2 : first ‘the nature of the key’, no ?]  
d

[can be anything .. ‘heavy’ (-bebarêmenio from -bareó) .. what impossible root is that ?
can be a composite : […]  + month (-men) [but is verb] … yet ‘open’ (-anoigô) belongs to ‘key’ ;
‘asleep’ (-katheudó) as ‘atonement’ (-katallagê) ? 
then , ’14th’ (tessares+kai+dekatos) is tempting but impossible to fit in ,
yet “the 14th could be an intro to next lines where ‘Passover’ can appear” :] 

      [d : impossible : “were for of-them the eyes having-been-heavied”]   
[Mk.14:40:] 
and – they (will) – not – understand      +
b
what=whý – they (will have) to answer=wait (apokrinomia=apekdechomai) – him=longer ;     + 

 
[next 44 : dangerous — attempt :] 
44
“And he left them, and went away again,                                      [< see how tiring ?] 
(b)  and prayed the third time, 
(c)  saying the same words.                                                       [< only in this Matthew] 
44
and=for – went away=their (?) – again=soul (?) (palin=psuché)     +


(will have) left – them                                                                                              [‘for having-left them soul of-them’]  
c
for=as – (the-) third (adj.) – prayed=trial (proseuchomai=peirasmos , see above) :
d
[can be anything really – but ‘until Passover’ theme ? :] 

the=until (?) – (the-) same=day (?) of – words=Passover (?) – (will) say=come to be ;                  
[unsure] 
 
45
(a) “Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, 
(b)  Sleep on now, and take [your]  rest: 
(c)  behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.”
… here ,
a) ‘firstfruits’ (-aparchê) but never used as ‘day of’ in (corrupt-) NT ; 
b) perhaps firstfruits as “3d + day” works confusing after the ‘3x theme’ ? :
c) the “rest” theme seems valid for now ‘they cán rest’ 
      which however needs ‘a done job’ :
45
and=then – he=you (will have) comes=accepted (erchomai=prosdechomai , as before)    +
b
the (‘their’) – toward=repaying (‘recompense’) (pros=apotinô) – disciples=from – him=them
    c
    and=which – he=they (will have) say=offered (?) – (unto-) them=you ;                                           [attempt] 
d
(and-) you=they (will) sleep=rejoice (katheudó=kauchêma) – henceforth – (and-) rest ,
e
behold !=because – the – hour (or ‘day’) – (will have) come      +                                          [‘day of Firstfruits’] 
f
and=that – the – Son of – man – (will) betray=gather (paradidó-mi=synei-mi)     +
g
into=all of – (the-) hands=firstfruits (CHEiRAs=apARCHÊ !) (‘144’) of      +            [‘AT Firstfruits’ !] 
h
(the-) sinners=people (hamartólos=démos) . 

 
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